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Bart Samwel
bart at samwel.tk
Sun Dec 6 22:01:16 CET 2009
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Hi Ritesh,
Here's my take on the Ubuntu situation. I think they are right, in the sense
that Ubuntu tries to integrate all power management stuff into stuff that
fits with their GUI front-ends, and laptop-mode-tools doesn't fit into that
picture. In particular, Ubuntu focuses on Gnome primarily, and tries to use
a single stack of GUI tools which controls back-end tools such as pm-utils
using dbus (what they refer to as the "freedesktop.org stack").
In contrast, Debian doesn't work in that direction very much at all, because
it tries to cater to all kinds of users, including "bare X" users who strip
their laptops to the bare minimum, and users of all kinds of window managers
or even no X at all. In this situation, laptop-mode-tools provides a
"generic" solution that works outside of the confines of the
freedesktop.orgstack. So laptop-mode-tools definitely has its uses,
but I definitely see
why Ubuntu wants to integrate all the useful stuff into their own stack, and
not use laptop-mode-tools' control mechanisms.
Cheers,
Bart
On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 11:16, Bart Samwel <bart at samwel.tk> wrote:
>
> Take the +edit off the end and you can get in. :-)
>
> BTW, my reply will have to wait until I'm off work. I do have something
> useful to say about this. Short version: they're not entirely on crack.
>
> Cheers,
> Bart
>
> On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 11:14, Matthijs Kooijman <matthijs at stdin.nl>wrote:
>
>> Hi Ritesh,
>>
>> >
>> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/foundations-lucid-laptop-mode-tools-integration/+edit
>> I get a permission denied on that page (even while I'm logged in). What's
>> the
>> summary?
>>
>> Gr.
>>
>> Matthijs
>>
>> PS. It's probably an oversight, but please use a subject! I nearly threw
>> your
>> mail away as spam (especially since when I looked inside I saw a link and
>> two lines of text, which looks quite spammy as well...).
>>
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Hi Ritesh,<br><br>Here's my take on the Ubuntu situation. I think they =
are right, in the sense that Ubuntu tries to integrate all power management=
stuff into stuff that fits with their GUI front-ends, and laptop-mode-tool=
s doesn't fit into that picture. In particular, Ubuntu focuses on Gnome=
primarily, and tries to use a single stack of GUI tools which controls bac=
k-end tools such as pm-utils using dbus (what they refer to as the "<a=
href=3D"http://freedesktop.org">freedesktop.org</a> stack").<br>
<br>In contrast, Debian doesn't work in that direction very much at all=
, because it tries to cater to all kinds of users, including "bare X&q=
uot; users who strip their laptops to the bare minimum, and users of all ki=
nds of window managers or even no X at all. In this situation, laptop-mode-=
tools provides a "generic" solution that works outside of the con=
fines of the <a href=3D"http://freedesktop.org">freedesktop.org</a> stack. =
So laptop-mode-tools definitely has its uses, but I definitely see why Ubun=
tu wants to integrate all the useful stuff into their own stack, and not us=
e laptop-mode-tools' control mechanisms.<br>
<br>Cheers,<br>Bart<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 =
at 11:16, Bart Samwel <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:bart at samwel.t=
k">bart at samwel.tk</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote=
" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0=
.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<br>Take the +edit off the end and you can get in. :-)<br><br>BTW, my reply=
will have to wait until I'm off work. I do have something useful to sa=
y about this. Short version: they're not entirely on crack.<br><br>
Cheers,<br>
Bart<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div><div></div><div class=3D"h5">On=
Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 11:14, Matthijs Kooijman <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a hre=
f=3D"mailto:matthijs at stdin.nl" target=3D"_blank">matthijs at stdin.nl</a>><=
/span> wrote:<br>
</div></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px sol=
id rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><div>=
<div></div><div class=3D"h5">
Hi Ritesh,<br>
<br>
> <a href=3D"https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/foundations-l=
ucid-laptop-mode-tools-integration/+edit" target=3D"_blank">https://bluepri=
nts.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/foundations-lucid-laptop-mode-tools-integrat=
ion/+edit</a><br>
I get a permission denied on that page (even while I'm logged in). What=
's the<br>
summary?<br>
<br>
Gr.<br>
<font color=3D"#888888"><br>
Matthijs<br>
</font><br>
PS. It's probably an oversight, but please use a subject! I nearly thre=
w your<br>
mail away as spam (especially since when I looked inside I saw a link and<b=
r>
two lines of text, which looks quite spammy as well...).<br>
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